Shelby: Alright! Hello and welcome to the money mindset shift. In this episode, we have Lori Crawford. Lori is an embodiment guide currently embodying her first go at motherhood. Yay! And she is your self-proclaimed fairy grant mother. She can help you navigate overwhelm so you can access more ease and choice in your day-to-day life, allowing you to reconnect to what and who matters the most to you.

And if you want to get a taste for this, the Yes and Yesterday (YAY) course for feeling more supported through your day and waking up with more shits to give where and when you want to, the link for the courses in the show notes, it’s a little bit of a long one, and you can find Lori on Instagram at improvide, that’s @improvide.with.lori, and you can catch her podcast in providing life at, improvidinglife.buzzsprout.com. Welcome Lori and welcome wonderful baby Mercuri.

Lori: Hello hellooo! Iced coffee, problematic people in the house. I’m a problematic relationship with iced coffee. Not that we are problematic.

Shelby: Maybe in some ways. We’ll find out. 

Lori: Yes, everyone is somehow. 

Shelby: Yeah. Listeners, you be the judge. All right. Um, Thank you. Let me get back on track. Thank you for joining me for the podcast today to talk about money mindset and your business, and thank you Mercuri for joining us also in providing your wonderful baby thoughts.

So I’d like to start off with the question, What does money mindset mean to you? Like if you were to try to explain this to somebody, how would you explain it? What does it mean to you? 

Lori: Yeah, so mark is getting hard blocks together. For me, it’s like this blossoming, right? Before I would say my answer would be like something that should probably exist, but I don’t have necessarily. But now it’s like, I sort of categorize money mindset shifts myself as like, this evolving practice of shifting from control to connection. Right. Of like feeling like I either I’m like, which is the basis of my work. It’s like, I’m really like, feeling like I need to control it or it controls me. Right. There’s like this power struggle. And then there’s moments that are really nice and groovy and flowy where it’s connecting to like, what do I need money to support me with? How can I be more kind to money as it happens? You know? And, and so I think that that like right now is my, like realistic definition. And then what that like sort of, how that shows up in my life. 

Shelby: I, I totally get that. And I don’t know if I’ve talked about this before, but I think it’s a good opportunity just to like, touch on it. That like control piece of like, if you don’t control it, it controls you. Like that does, as you said, put that very like adversarial relationship to it. Like it’s, honestly in my opinion is detrimental because like, now you’re fighting with it. Now you’re not allowed to like embrace it. Right. It has to be something that’s like over there or other. Right? So I love that you framed that from like that kind of relationship to connection. So from control to connection. Oh wait, like I’m biased. So everybody knows, like I adore Lori. Lori is one of my favorite people and the way Lori brings together words and phrases is just like so magical. So I want you to all, to like, I don’t know, like really listen to like what she says, cause like how she says things and the way that they relate to each other has like additional layers sometimes that is just like mind blowing. So FYI, you may want to listen to this episode twice.

Lori: Thank you Shelby.

Yeah. Talk about adversarial relationships, milk and nostrils. That doesn’t sound good. Yeah. And so when you were sharing that, that made me think of like the game of hot potato. Even the idea is like, you don’t want to be left with the potato, right? Well, that often feels like my relationship with money where I was like, oh, when I have it, I was like, crap, like subconscious, like crap, I have to get rid of this. Right. I don’t want my hands to burn. I don’t want the responsibility of having this. I don’t want the impeding doom of it suddenly going away. Right? It was almost like let me be the deciding factor that puts it somewhere, right? Instead of being taken from me. And so like there really have been times in life where like, until I was, you know, grateful to be in a relationship with Shelby and using her wonderful journals and prompts of like, realizing like, oh shit, there’s so many layered reasons beyond the very like valid systemic inequities that is informing that hot potato game. Right?

And so when in reality, what I wanted is in a still want is for money to be this like super juicy, um, like decked out, plush cozy, um like, what do they call it? Like, in-laws suite that’s in my backyard. Right? Like I want it to be like a, she shed where I can, or, you know, I would like a, oh, let me, hold on, a them terrace, right? So I was trying to think of another word that is a building that was a T, but yeah. So something where I just, I get to go, I get to like tinker, I get to be like, Ooh, who’s the designer, you know? And just like, have these sort of like staycations with money. And, you know, hot potato energy doesn’t really do that. Um, I mean, you might have a cute pair of, of sorta like hamburger helper, oven mitts you’re wearing during the process, but like there’s still that separation between you and sort of the potato. And potatoes are great in like all forms. So I want, like, I’m curious on what that would be like if, if money could be something that I look at as great in all forms, it’s more so how we as humans have put some really fucked up energy into it and really are problematic with, with that aspect of it. 

Shelby: Yeah, for sure. And I think that for a lot of us, that definitely plays into the, the resistance on that like hot potato feeling where I have to get rid of it, because it does feel so ichy, like and gross, and like, we will be burned by it because of that problematic shit, horrible energy that people are putting into it. Right? And so it’s almost like more imperative then for us to hold the hot potato and like do something different with it. So to make it into fries and chips and mashed potatoes and all of the like really yummy things that we have come to enjoy. Even baked potatoes, right? Like, putting all the delicious toppings on it. Like, I don’t know about anybody else, but you throw some butter and a little bit of cheese and some bacon bits, like, golden. But yeah, we still have to deal with that like hot potato moment where we’re like taking it out of the uh, stove, pot, there we go, pot, or we’re like taking it out of the microwave. Um, and yeah, no wonder, like, we’re all like, oh no thank you. 

Lori: Well, yeah, and too, I think in the process of like literally flinging it, right? That’s like we fling our debit cards. We fling cash. We fling potatoes. I tell people often, like we ping pong our shit back and forth to each other all the time. Right? And so money is just one of the, Well also to speak that we’re ping-ponging right. And so like in that gesture of just get rid of it right away, there becomes just so many other aspects of life that just gets so cluster fucky, right? Like, you know, then, so I grew up in a hoarding household, um, and like now I have a much more, I’m grateful to have a much more humanized relationship with my parents, be able to see the dynamics. Everyone just trying to do the best they can. Right? But that I can see now how it’s like having a lack of access to the money we needed for our needs to be met, meant that whenever things could be gotten, they weren’t then used, they weren’t allowed to be used. They had to, to always be there for future, but not current.

And so, you know, it’s like, even that polarity or that like, um, paradox of like, okay, we can’t really make ends meet, but we have all this clutter everywhere. We have these massive amount of things. So I believe some of the language you’ve used is, and perhaps not this language, but the relationship like push/pull or binge/purge, and I know binge/purge problematic language, but like that relationship was really evident in the money mindset that I was raised in of like, oh, we have a little bit of money. Oh, here’s a yard sale where like, you know, my mom’s going to go and like buy all these things because we never know if we need it. Sort of like a squirrel storing the nuts, but we never eat it. Right? It’s never harvest time. And so like that then meant that when we got money again, it was like flung towards things we didn’t actually need, want, enjoy, value or like utilize. So like in throwing the potato, it’s never really seems to be about where’s the best place that it’ll land. It’s like, just get it the fuck away from me.

Shelby: No, that, that makes so much sense. And thank you for sharing that, first of all. Um, I just recorded another podcast episode earlier and we talked about vulnerability and like that this work takes vulnerability. So I want to recognize that and honor that and say thank you. 

And yeah, like it is hard. And like the we kind of, I I’m like processing, but like I, like we can see the ways in which we do these things right. Where we save things for later. Where we store it away and actually never ended up using it.

For years, this is definitely not on the same scale and not the same experience you had, but it made me reflect and think like, in what ways did I save things for later and never use? I had a stack of hello kitty lined paper that I never used because like when it was gone, it was gone and I would never have it again. Implying that, like, I couldn’t just go out and buy more. Right? And it’s like the silverware that we like, and the China that we put up on the shelf for like a special time and then never use. And we never actually get to enjoy. 

Lori: Yeah, no that, and then, so, yeah, so that like the money mindset that I was afforded through like, growing up is so evident still now. And so I just want to like normalize that too, just because you have an awareness doesn’t mean like, boop! yay! that aspect of magic exists where it just like, doesn’t, like right now I’m staring at a room of overwhelm where it’s like all the baby things where it’s like, Yeah, in my mind, I would love to have this organizing like in the basement, but we had like logistical things where our basement was flooding right before I delivered Mercuri. And then we got that fixed, but the basement needs rebuilt to put stuff down there. I have ADHD and executive dysfunction so when do I have the amount of concentrated time where I need to sort and organize? Like, there’s just real ass things that means that there’s clutter and that, you know, there’s just so much that I actually almost like can’t see anything of value to me that I want to use, because there’s just so much. It’s like walking into Ross and TJ Maxx, like, yes, my budget bargain dealer heart is like, oh, I can afford something here. Yes. And then it’s like, I don’t know where to start. And so having that environment as my daily life, um, ends up often creating this amount of overwhelm or what I call woe-verload, where it can be hard to feel like I have time to spend with my money mindset and do practices because I get so, the sort of the H, part of my ADHD, she gets fixated on just staring at the things that feel like they shouldn’t be there and should, in terms of like, they don’t feel supportive being there and then not having the chemical makeup to be able to do anything about it. So I just want to like normalize that part of like awareness doesn’t always lead to eradication of something that feels unsupported, but it can give you a language to start making sense and to humanize yourself in that process. And if you have access to resources to, you know, get support and, or like leverage your network or whatever that like, that just suddenly becomes assessable. And like, how does that shift your quality of life? So I’m like in that, that sort of liminal space where it’s like, I get it, but also like the pandemic makes it hard. I can’t just be like, “Hey, random people online like come clean my house for me. I may, I can barter your services. I might not be able to pay you all in cash.” Like that just doesn’t feel accessible. So I just want to like, hold that space to have like, that, that feeling that can be, like you said, holding onto the potato, it’s like, I know I’m getting burned in one way and also I still don’t want to fling it at someone else. So like what happens now? And it’s just that continual practice of realizing you’re in the middle of a practice. 

Shelby: Yeah. So that almost like bridges us to a question I want to get to, but in order to get there, we’re going to take the bridge of, so what, so you’re stuck holding this potato. Right. This money mindset, money, potato, and it’s hot. And you’re like, I don’t want to fling it at anybody else. How did you begin to deal with holding this potato? 

Lori: Such a good question. It’s funny. It, there a thought came up a few minutes ago before my last preamble. Um, and it’s feeling like it’s, it fits here, right? It’s like, oh, here we go. 

Two or three years ago, I got like a series of seeds started being planted and now they’re coming to fruition, whether that’s in business, or just personal nuggets. And one of them was this idea. It was going to be like a book or something. Right. It’s going to be a shareable something, a potluck potato we’ll say, okay? And it was the title, the appeal of proper and how properness as this construct is just like it’s so human that the amount of like carnage and harm that happens in the pursuit of proper, because proper feels safe, proper’s how we survive. Right. And so in this like endeavor of trying to be able to start holding the potato, I just started to realize, well, wait, if I have this ability to be really critical of properness, what properness is, have I been told to like, just blindly follow what feels shitty about them? Um, how has the appeal of it actually, just that, that struggle of survival? What would not even striving, what would thriving, Oh, no striving for like, you know, knowing thriving could happen, but like, again, I’m all about first steps. What’s just a first step? And through that sort of inquiry, I was just like, okay. Let me just name that my family never had conversations about money, unless it was something like, “why would you ask for that? You know, we don’t have the means.” Like I wasn’t able to like voice a concern or a need because the automatic response was how dare you make us as a family realize we don’t have access to something. Right. And so I think that was the point of just starting to be like, what was the, what did proper look like in my family of origin, and starting to put words to how that didn’t feel supportive, how did that become sort of really confuddled with my personal identity and the stories about myself? Because I wasn’t able to separate out like my parents who are doing the best they can and they both come from families where they weren’t allowed to speak about things. So the fact that my parents are trying to say I love you, or trying to be supportive in ways that they weren’t shown already shows that they’ve gone beyond their comfort zone. And they’re just at the point where they can’t go further.

But like, so it was like that. It was like this very like humanizing inquiry of like, just, how have the lines between how I’m perceiving actions towards myself become unsupported or what I call unhelpful help. Or like the unsupportive stories that I was and then still to this day, I’m detangling from my identity and my sense of worth. Right. And I think that really connects the aspect of money mindset where we live in a society that it’s like your ability to have, flaunt, and recklessly sort of abandon money, right, and still have some there, is supposed to directly reflect your identity and your worth.

So yeah, that. That was a first step was just starting to name and question what was supposed to be proper. That actually is really unappealing when you’re able to peel back those layers. 

Shelby: I, I have no thought that was just perfect. 

I’m just, yeah, I guess I think of it as like, I love how you said proper.

Because when I talk about it, it’s like the, the programs, right. And proper is a program. What’s right. What’s good. What you should do. And I think proper gives it another name. It’s another facet to actually what’s happening. 

And as you’ve talked about like awareness, is a step. It’s not the only step, right? It’s like the beginning. And so then once you have the awareness, it’s beginning to name the things which means looking at them. That’s not always fun. It’s not always easy. But it’s sometimes a very necessary part of the process. And it takes that as we like kind of hearkened back to is the vulnerability with ourselves, especially to be able to name those things.

So. Once you started to go through this, like you’ve taken the first steps and you’ve probably taken more steps than we’ve now talked about on the podcast, what things started to change. So how did doing the money mindset work change your life and business? 

Lori: Yeah, I, I would say. About two or three years ago is was when I started to be able to put words to things. At the time, I didn’t necessarily know as money mindset. It was me starting to just sense make of my existence. Right. I want to preface that. I’d say about year and a half ago to COVID time, my sense of time is off. So I’d say sometime during COVID. So about a year and a half ago, um, I was finishing up my anti-racists and social justice based yoga teacher training. And we had, actually, no, it was February of 2020. Cause it was the very last session we could have before everything had to go virtual because of, um, closures. So it was longer than I thought. Long time. Um, but the last in person weekend that we had a training, our facilitator, who’s a wonderful woman named Felicia Savage Friedman, so I want to give credit for the beautiful space that she curates and her role in helping me again, learn how to sense make in a way that was kinder to myself and others. Right. 

But, the focus that week was really looking at anti-capitalism. What does that mean as an individual practice? And so, um, and she was also navigating some really strong, personal feelings with people who weren’t paying, um, who has initially agreed to have, um, certain payment structures for their tuition, but hadn’t made any payments towards it and didn’t feel like they could come in and just say, “Hey, can I shift this back or whatever?” And the only reason I could afford that training is because there was a bargain. Um, so like I was exchanging grant writing hours and teacher training. So like she has really great models, but there was still this aversion for many of us to be able to voice like, “Hey, we need to miss this month’s payment or can we offer a different rate?” Like that conversation wasn’t being had. So she very understandably was just feeling sort of like left in the dark.

And so what that offered was the space where we were all sitting in a circle and asked to get vulnerable and to share our money stories. And it was in that process of sharing things out that I realized some of my earliest memories, um, of not feeling worthy were also interchangeably, like are interrelated and connected to worth and money. And like just seeing how pervasive it was. 

And that’s when I started to be like, okay, I see how this is impacting me. So viscerally and also seeing again, just the amount of fuckery and how de-humanized everyone in that space had felt at some point in time in life because of money, and that idea of properness, and the harm that some of us had to put ourselves through to survive to then get a resource that supposedly was supposed to support us, but has never felt supportive.

And so there was just that tension point. And from there, that’s when I was able to take a next series of steps of really asking myself, instead of only being able to know what just feels absolutely wrong, what might it even feel like for it to feel any other way? Not even right or better. Just what else could there be?

Has there been times of neutrality with money? Was it so fleeting I didn’t even notice that it happened? Like it hasn’t happened. And, and it’s funny because just this morning I was recording the episode for my podcasts about like, you know, the idea of, of how can we create space for new evidence to come in? Because, you know, and so I think the title that I picked the after staring at a screen, like which one? For like an hour, which is probably just two minutes. It was like, sometimes our stories stifle possibilities, right? Because it’s like our stories that we associate with things are so valid because they are the experience we’re having, and also that can limit our scope of what feels like evidence. And then that evidence really impacts what else is available. So like that is really the season that I’m in now, where I would not say that my money mindset practices right now are against something that I have the capacity to do, like daily in a way where it feels like a ritual routine. And also, when I have those moments, it helps me feel like I’m coming back to a center, so to speak and being like, Hmm, I can see how all these different related ways life is life-ing, is connected to my money mindset. And from that place asking, what does that feel like? And how else might it feel right now?

Shelby: I love it. Um, I just made a note to get the link for that podcast, if it comes out before mine. 

Lori: Oh, great, yes. 

Shelby: That episode, because that’s like one, I want to listen to it. So this is also selfish, but two, I think it really fits into continuing the conversation. So for everybody listening, I will have that link in the show notes if it is available, otherwise, there will be a link to Lori’s podcast. So, please… 

Lori: Well, the funny thing is, is that was the episode I needed to air today. Cause I like to release them on Wednesday, and all week, this was the third time that I tried to record something and I usually do not edit. I don’t restart. But something, my body just felt so wrong, the right things weren’t coming out because I was in control mode. I was trying to find five minutes here and there where Mercuri was content with her dad downstairs. And I was like, oh gosh, I’ve got to start something, you know? So I was in this control mode of, I need to get this done. And I, once I was able again to have that awareness, like, okay, what feels better? I was like, I’m just going to go. If it doesn’t get done Wednesday, cool, whatever. Like I have like what, like maybe five listeners? Or like, no one is going to be sitting and be like, “there was a deliverable now we have to be in your contract.” It’s just not that. I was putting that pressure on it. It doesn’t exist. Right. And so then what I ended up sharing out was not what I thought was going to be like, it was still thematically, but it wasn’t the things that I would have, like, I was trying to force out rather, earlier in the week. So I say all that to say it will be out when this airs, because I just automatically publish at six. I was like, it’s in there. Like I don’t care. Just there. But the sense of completion happens so that I will share that. 

Shelby: Oh I am so excited..

Lori: Yeah. And it felt like in even those types of moments, I call those like synclairities. Right. Where it’s like my version of like synchronicities and where it’s like, when I’m able to get clear on my desires, I can notice when I’m getting closer to something feeling that way. Right. Again, it’s, it gives me again, not just the awareness, but like what feels like the next more supportive step. Cause sometimes I don’t feel better, but it’s like, here’s the next thing that’s unfolding. And I think that’s how, like my relationship with money is right now, you know, it’s like, there’s going to be something happening in the world of money. So like what, what does that feel like and what feels like the next supportive thing?

Shelby: Yeah. I love that you really break it down into like baby steps. I know, like in society we kinda get, uh, wrapped up in polarity of like, if it’s not this it’s this other thing, or like, we have to go from A to Z and you’re like, all right, let’s break it down. Like, what’s A.1?

Lori: Literally. And also, so like that, just like if it’s okay to mention improviding as like the sort of skill set or like practice I’ve created through my work it’s, for me, it is the toolbox, the framework from which I like navigate that type of, of what’s a baby step and how can that be enough approach Because, you know, oftentimes the analysis paralysis or a sense of defeat, or like not being able to take any step is because again, we’ve been told like Z is where we have to go and there’s a properness, right. To tie that back. There’s a properness of Z. So like, and we have to not only get there, but a certain way, and have a certain like trail that we take.

Right. And first off, I need some snacks. Who’s getting from a to Z that fast? Like fuck that, no, absolutely not. And so one of the tools I’ve been providing is A to C and what that is as a practice, it’s not even about like, getting to C and like just sort of like stopping there, right? It’s about this like free association of like, okay, if A exists, so let’s say A is money exists, right? What’s the next thing that comes to my mind? Money, earlier we said hot potato, struggle, like flinging, right. It’s allowing the very next sort of thought or thing that comes up. So that way you’re just again, to start having language towards it. And eventually, after flinging, you know, I might get to like ping pong and then games and then recreation, support, friendship, birthday party. Oh, somehow I went from like money being fucked up to the idea of a birthday party. That sounds fun and celebratory. What could a fun celebratory birthday party be like with money? Like it creates the possibilities for you to consider. Now none of that ended up being very prescriptive where I was like, here’s the clear thing and you know, no magic wand, unfortunately. I haven’t figured that part out yet. I’ll let you know if I figure it out. But suddenly, there’s such a, it’s a different playground to explore. So I think of life now as like a board game, right? You can suddenly see like, oh, candy cane alley came up. I couldn’t see that before. I was just on gumdrop lane and I don’t really like the texture of gumdrops. So I’m going to go ahead and see what the candy canes have going on. Oh, I can put one of those in my hot chocolate and have a little moment. Like it just creates a different possibility to play. And that to me is the part that feels really encouraging, um, with working with you through money mindset things.

It’s, again, it’s grounding in practices that I, that feel really innate and natural to me in what feels like, it has felt like a very tumultuous landscape, which is money mindset. Right. And then allowing there to become this familiarity where it’s not so scary. And some of those other like, sort of like features or landscapes are coming up where I’m like, oh, I’m not just rock climbing 5,000 feet in the air and I’m like terrified of heights and falling. I see a little like pool down there. I can soak in. Sure can be a mirage and I won’t feel like it’s there tomorrow, but right now, mirage is the choice I want to make. 

Shelby: I like that. I like that a lot. And I love the candy land analogy because it made me think of what was the, the like goopy monster guy. And like, that’s kinda to me, that seems like a tumultuous landscape. For somebody else that could be like the best thing in the world. Right. And so what you’re doing, and in this example is like, we’re each kind of making it our own. Which I love and you’re providing, you’re providing, improviding, haha, a different like, a different lens and I really appreciate, like, that’s kind of the point for me in bringing people on to the podcast is like, I am one person. I have one set of experiences and thoughts and things, right? And everybody else provides a different lens. And so like, if the journal that I provide, isn’t the way to do it for you, here, Lori has found a way to kind of take that using her innate ways of understanding the landscape and make it something different. And that’s not always directly in the lens of money mindset, like your offers, your books, your guides, like, maybe aren’t always that, but provide tools that are life tools. They’re not just situational tools. 

So. 

Lori: Yeah. And thank you for teasing that out. And like one thing that came to mind, it’s, it’s actually like something that the word grief wants to come up too. But I also like want to acknowledge that, like, that doesn’t fit in with the properness of what we’re allowed to create. I want to preface that. Right. Cause I didn’t even know until a friend told me like, oh shit, you’re grieving things. So that, like, that was like, I was told grief was only like the loss of someone that was like your person. Right. I have this grief over, um, that I sort of got away from this practice that I call journey doodling. It’s where I’m, instead of grabbing a journal with intent of words, I just started drawing out my little bean people, um, I call them the Bit Town Beans. They go on these adventures. Right. And they, that is how I really started to sense make. So to tie back to how you were asking me earlier, like, what was then the next step, how I was doing that inquiry was my, was the Bit Town Beans.

And right now with having an infant, having like access to paper is, and it’s, I don’t want to position that as like now, because I have a baby, even before that, I got to a place where I was like, okay, like I have these awarenesses, I should be doing something about it. So that pressure built up. And then I got away from that really grounding practice.

But so like that, I just want to share that as an invitation to anyone where it’s like, we don’t have to start with the words. That’s again, one of those things we were told is proper, right. “Use your words.” No, whatever modalities or mediums you love to play with, how can that be enough? Right? Like if you like making your food look like a smiley face on your plate, I do that too sometimes, like make the face of how you’re feeling. And then as you’re eating, you know, that could be your internal dialogue of like, oh, I was my omelet kind of, uh, you know, like scrunched up face today and then like, whatever that looks for you. Like that can be a first step and that can be more than enough.

And like you said, it can be about money. It can be about your relationship with your neighbor and like, whatever it is that you’re navigating, like, if that makes life that much more livable and you can then have access to both an awareness and then the next step doing it your way, do it your way. Like that’s the whole point of improviding is like, how can this tool be something that in your hands provide something that’s relevant to your reality?

Shelby: I love this. 

I feel like that’s a great, like, ending message. It’s like, total invitation for everybody to like explore themselves in their own lives. Leave out proper, leave out pressure. Like what just works for you. How do you facilitate understanding in your life and awareness? And movement? It doesn’t have to be like forward movement. I almost said like forward movement, but just movement. Right. Because, again, proper journey, as you were saying A to Z, we’re supposed to do it in a prescribed way. No, it doesn’t have to be forward. You want to walk backwards because that’s what gets you there? Cool. 

I am…

Lori: It’s Wednesday when we’re recording this, I’m going to invite in, oh no it’s Thursday, crap yesterday. I don’t know.

Shelby: No it’s Wednesday. 

Lori: No it’s Wednesday. Okay. Cause I was going to say I’ve been doing like wobble Wednesdays where I put on the wobble and dance, like to again, to remind myself that, what I call like hump day as a kid, when we were all like watching that, I won’t say the name, cause we don’t get paid for it, the car commercial, “Hump Day!” Now all of a sudden it’s like Humpty Dumpty day because we’re adults and we’re like, fuck life is lifeing. Wobble. Like, dance. Invite some wiggiliness like, like whatever your form of the wobble is like you do you. 

Shelby: Love it. Yes. Cool invitation. So do you have any last thoughts or things that you want to say as we wrap up? Um, you also, invitation to promote. I know we talked a little bit about, about your stuff in the beginning, but Lori is very prolific as well as with there’s so much that we could share. So total invitation to like promote anything we didn’t promote yet. Um, wrap up any thoughts. Give more invitations, things to respond to, et cetera.

Lori: Well, first I want to thank Shelby because at the beginning, before we started recording Mercuri was, well for context, it’s 2:00 PM and she hadn’t slept yet today. So she was snapping in some things, but Shelby just curates such a wonderful space that Mercuri is actually sleeping on me now. So like, just even that, from being able to shift out of this idea of control, we’re able to just start connecting and everything fell in place. I just want to voice that and thank you.

And also, you know, about the other great invitation that you gave, um, really just sharing out. So if you’re someone who is navigating any sort of overwhelm, one, I just want to normalize that that is a common human experience now, but also shouldn’t have to be a normal human experience. So I want to address that. Like it’s normal that we all experience it. And also it doesn’t have to be the only thing we experience. And so I do have a course called Yes, and Yesterday. And that is for anyone who is curious about how connecting with their, their body, spirit and mind and this idea of embodiment can actually be accessible. Like, what is that first step? And how can there be like a tender space that’s held because you’re coming with your whole life of experience of why that has not been accessible. Um, And so that course it’s a self-paced course. Um, and so that is one option. 

And then also if you’re someone who is navigating, you know, like the, a space where it’s like, I need access to resources I don’t have, and you might be, so like, by some parts of the day I’m a grant writer, but I look at it as like the fairy grant mentor, really like how can reconnecting to our stories and understanding that there are gatekeepers in the form of funders, and like, so if you’re in a position where you have to access funding, or to try to tell a story to get resources, I do have, um, something called the grant glow up guided planner, and that will have a full product page. It’s essentially like a fairy grant mentor, fairy godmother hug of like, here’s how to make this less overwhelming. Here’s all the ways that you can identify what matters to you most about the story you’re telling. Um, here’s how to navigate that in a funding space. And so that also is something that is there as well. 

So I look a it as like, if you’re navigating the overwhelm of adulting or the overwhelm of sharing your story, then I might have a way to support you and I’ll make sure Shelby has those insights, but that’ll be, you know, sort of like my bread and butter, so to speak of just like, what’s there to get sort of your palette, um, familiar with it, to see if something else ends up being more supportive in working together.

Shelby: Yes, I will make sure we have those links in the show notes and everything, like, we’re going to have, uh, in the, in the, um, spirit of food, we’re going to have our like charcuterie board of, um, Lori’s offerings and you can pick and choose and put together your crackers and your cheese or your meats or grapes or …

Lori: Mercuri wakes up. Do you have words? She just woke up out of a deep sleep.

Okay. I just wanted to check. She woke up out of nowhere, just staring. We’re going to navigate that together.

Yeah. Something she realized she was like, I don’t usually wake up in this room. And as one thing, when you said charcuterie, my head was still, my brain was still on potato. So I was like, po-tutory? po-pootery? like trying to figure out how to make a potato. I think that just disturbing thought woke her up. Cause she was like “We don’t need to do that. You’re embarrassing me, mom.” 

Shelby: Aw, thank you, Mercuri for your insights. Well, I appreciate you and thank you, Lori, for taking the time and just showing up fully as you, because like this is an invitation too for everybody just to do that. And then side note, it is currently as we are recording this and wrapping up 2:22.

So 

Lori: woo-woo!. 

Shelby: Um, extra vibes in this podcast and thank you so much, everyone for joining us for this episode of the money mindset shift. Stay tuned for more. And again, all of Lori’s links and the smorgasbord of her offers is in the show na – show notes. I almost said show Nate’s, um, in the show notes. So please check those out, go give her a follow and listen to her podcast.